What’s with all the rules? Are you anti-raw?

It’s come to my attention that our rules in the Facebook group about feeding advice aren’t well understood.  I’m going to try to fix that with a brief article that explains my thoughts in a little more detail.

Let me first start off by saying two things that are specific to raw feeding:  1) I understand that raw feeding, by itself, is a controversial, hot-button issue.  2) I am not, in a general sense, against raw feeding, when it comes to healthy dogs.

I’d prefer to not get bogged down in the controversy that surrounds feeding raw.  I believe that it’s been helpful in improving the health of some dogs not affected by primary CIL.  The issue I have with raw is very simple.  It’s just not possible to eliminate enough fat from a raw diet to make it appropriate for dogs that have primary CIL. 

To get to that level of ultra low fat, food has to be cooked, and excess fat has to be drained.  There’s no way around it.  There’s just too much fat in a raw diet.

So, that’s the short answer.  But there’s a lot more to it.  Bear with me here.

CIL is a confusing disease to begin with, because we have primary and secondary disease states, where the CIL itself has different causes.  In secondary CIL, the task is fairly straightforward.  Remove the cause of the primary disease, and the secondary stuff goes away.  When CIL is secondary, the primary disease is usually IBD, and dogs that react to a protein source, such as chicken, are often primary IBD dogs.  With *those* dogs, it’s often as simple as feeding a hypoallergenic diet or changing their protein source from one thing to another. 

A key thing to remember here is that these are dogs who might well tolerate a higher fat diet, once the IBD has been addressed.  So you might see success stories with these dogs that involve things like raw diets or other oddly fat-filled items.

I’m all for being happy about any success!  But we need to remember that, for primary CIL, fat is always the enemy.  And most of us don’t know, and don’t have a way to know if CIL is primary or secondary. 

Vets often prescribe a hypoallergenic diet initially, in the hope that CIL is secondary and the diet change will fix the problem.  If it does, you can be fairly confident that your dog has primary IBD and that CIL will resolve on its own. In these cases, it’s fairly clear that the protein source was the problem.

Unfortunately, the primary CIL dogs need a different approach which will always include a low fat diet, and the path is not always so straight.

Here’s where things get sticky from a group rules perspective.  It can be argued that a rule against recommending fatty foods is too strict, since some of these dogs (CIL secondary dogs) will ultimately be able to eat more fat.  It can also be argued that we should give people the information to assess what approach they want to take, and let them decide. 

In truth, that’s exactly what we do.  I encourage everyone when they join the group to read the articles here on the website, which talk extensively about these issues.  I hope that they’ll work with their veterinarians to determine if, say, a hypoallergenic diet should be prescribed.  That’s the one higher-fat diet I’m not going to worry about, because it’s always fed with a vet’s supervision.

So, we do try to provide information that allows everyone to make informed decisions about what they are willing to risk.  But when it comes to random posts in an open community on the internet, there’s all kinds of ways things can go sideways fast.

I’ve been doing this since 2009, on three blogs, on two forums I’ve created, and now on Facebook.  One thing I’ve learned is that people don’t always have the time to educate themselves adequately, and that even when they do, there’s a lot to process and they don’t always take it all in easily or quickly.  Then you have the people who pop in to promote a product and the people who are obsessed with the latest feeding trends and believe those things will cure every ill known to mankind.  And, in the meantime, there are sick dogs here that desperately need to be helped.

I am all about harm reduction.  People have questions, and they need solid answers that will not create more problems for their dogs.  With that always in mind, I can’t endorse recommending any high-fat diets or food items, because the potential for harm is too great.  One person comes online and talks about how well their dog did on a diet that is relatively high in fat, and the next thing you know, there are three or four sick dogs in the group because they’re primary CIL dogs and their owners tried that high fat diet. And those dogs might not recover from that relapse, and they might die.  This is a serious disease.  

This is where it gets personal for me.  I don’t want sick dogs in the group that I could have protected.  The bottom line here is this: No dog, whether primary or secondary, is ever going to have a relapse because they avoided fat.  Some dogs *are* going to relapse if they are fed too much fat. 

But that’s not happening on my watch.  Not if I can help it.  

Everyone here probably ought to learn as much as they can about primary and secondary CIL, protein and fat, and then make a decision about what to feed.  But we all need to recognize that not everyone who comes to the group will have had time to get up to speed on this issue, and since dogs’ lives are in the balance there’s a grave responsibility implied in that. 

Because I don’t want a single relapsed dog laid at *my* feet that I could have protected, we’re not going to endorse any diet here that doesn’t meet the ultra low-fat standard.  I hope to protect all CIL dogs to the best of my ability, and that’s the sole reason this rule exists.

Fat Content of Human Food

Let’s talk about labeling for human foods, so we can better understand how much fat is in them. The first thing you should know is that this is always going to be guesswork on our part because nutrition labels for human food do not list the moisture content. What we need to do here is combine data with common sense in order to come up with a best guess about whether we can try a food.

This question often comes up in the context of treats, and my usual response is not to chance it, period. But sometimes we have other reasons for needing to give human foods. On our Facebook group there was a recent discussion about how to entice a dog to take a pill that can’t be cut or crushed. Most of us will want to hide that pill in something the dog will eat, but what? Let’s look at some labels and see if we can figure this out.

The example label I’ve posted here (you can click on it for a larger version) shows a lot of information, but it’s tricky to interpret. Most of us would want to look at that label and say this food is 10% fat, because that’s what the label says, right? Well, no. What that number to the right actually means is that one serving of this food will provide you with 10% of the total fat recommended for the average person to consume in a day.

A better way to approximate fat content is to look at the serving size and the number of grams of fat the food contains. The serving size for this food (top right) is listed as 55g, or 55 grams. The amount of fat in a serving is listed as 8 grams. Then we do a little math: grams of fat per serving divided by the total number of grams in a serving, in this case it’s 8/55. You can then multiply this result by 100 to get the percent of fat per serving, which is what we really need. Here’s how this example works out:

    (8/55)*100 = 14.5

    The percent of fat per serving is 14.5%.

But now we need to talk about dry matter percents, which is what really counts. The true percentage of fat in any food can only be correctly described when we adjust for the moisture content of that food. This label doesn’t tell us how much water is in the food, so we can’t do a calculation to determine this. All we can do is look at the food and make a decent guess. If the food is moist or wet, we can assume that the actual fat content of digestible matter will be significantly higher than what we’ve just calculated. If the food is dry, like a cracker, we can assume that the number we’ve calculated is close to correct.

In this case, that’s a significant amount of fat, even for a dry food. I like to see numbers closer to 4% and below. That’s based on the dry matter content of the canned prescription diet that’s most often fed to our dogs, which is 4.1% fat, as calculated here: http://fnae.org/dmb.html

I hope this is helpful!

Louie’s mom is now retired from her previous work at the University of California, Davis.  She works part-time as a pet sitter, caring for others’ pets in their absence, and functions as the admin of the Canine Lymphangiectasia Educational Support Group on Facebook.  Donations through PayPal help her find the time to continue to provide information and research to others struggling with CIL.  If you find this information helpful, please consider a small donation.  Thank you.

PLE: What is it, exactly? And what is PLN?

PLE or PLN?  What are these labels?  PLE = Protein Losing Enteropathy and PLN = Protein Losing Nephropathy.

What does that mean, and do we need to worry about both of them?

There’s a lot of confusion around these terms, and additional confusion arises due to the fact that there are other protein losing diseases, as well. I want to try to clear up some of that confusion.

First, let’s talk about PLE. What does that mean? Well, “enteropathy” means “disease of the intestine.” So, “protein-losing enteropathy” would refer to a disease of the intestine that causes protein loss. Canine Intestinal Lymphangiectasia is one of these diseases.

An important point is that CIL is just one of many forms of PLE, and treatments for these diseases vary depending on the form.

You can think of it the way you think of the word “cancer.” Cancer is a broad term, covering many kinds of disease. PLE is also a broad term that covers many kinds of disease. With cancer, we narrow down the term to enhance the meaning, usually by adding a location: brain cancer, or lung cancer, or skin cancer. They are all cancers, but they are not treated in the same way. You don’t shoot radiation at the brain to cure lung cancer.

PLE is a similar term. There are many things that can lead to a loss of protein through the intestine, and they are all treated in different ways. CIL is one form of PLE and it has very specific treatments that don’t apply to other forms.

Now that we’ve cleared that up, I want to mention PLN. That stands for “protein-losing nephropathy.” Nephropathy is defined as a disease of the kidney, so PLN is a disease in which protein loss occurs due to kidney dysfunction. It is not the same disease that our dogs have, it is not related in any way, and is not treated in the same way. There are dogs here who have both, but If your dog has PLN and not CIL, you’re in the wrong group. You’re welcome to be here, as there are common issues with protein loss, but we won’t be much help in terms of helping you find the proper treatment for PLN.

There’s a Facebook group for PLN in dogs, but I have no idea if it’s a quality group. Those who have PLN dogs might want to check it out, though. https://www.facebook.com/groups/473665082680477/

Louie’s mom is now retired from her previous work at the University of California, Davis.  She works part-time as a pet sitter, caring for others’ pets in their absence, and functions as the admin of the Canine Lymphangiectasia Educational Support Group on Facebook.  Donations through PayPal help her find the time to continue to provide information and research to others struggling with CIL.  If you find this information helpful, please consider a small donation.  Thank you.